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Sam Harris: How Rich is Too Rich?

even in the ideal case, where obvious value has been created, how much wealth can one person be allowed to keep? A trillion dollars? Ten trillion? (Fifty trillion is the current GDP of Earth.) Granted, there will be some limit to how fully wealth can concentrate in any society, for the richest possible person must still spend money on something, thereby spreading wealth to others.

[Emphasis mine.]

Vox Popoli:

And the inevitable atheist tendency towards totalitarianism finally shows through. Rich people aren't "allowed to keep money". They have it. It's theirs. As in, not yours, Sam. This is called the principle of private property, and upon it all the wealth of the Western world is founded. Or rather, was founded before it was turned into collateral in a ponzi scheme.


Francis W. Porretto

When I read "The End Of Faith," and came face to face with Harris's ignorance, arrogance, and unwillingness to draw important distinctions, I realized immediately that he must be a left-liberal. Only a left-liberal would condemn the beliefs of others (and vilify them for daring to hold them) while elevating his own, utterly groundless assertions to the status of Holy Writ.


"And the inevitable atheist tendency towards totalitarianism finally shows through."

Ah, the inevitable christian tendency towards bigotry and arrogance finally show through. What else can you expect from people with imaginary friends?

Francis W. Porretto

Alex, our "imaginary friend" provided us with ten commandments. Just ten. That's all. Your unfortunately-not-imaginary-friends want to bury us under ten million commandments -- all of them to be enforced at gunpoint.

I think I'll keep my "imaginary" friend, thanks. And I'll thank you to keep your friends away from me.


If you think the "ten commandments" are provided as an itemized list, you're completely ignorant about your own religion. Depending on how you count them, there are anywhere between 4 and 613-ish. Moreover, if you're a christian and accept the idea that a corpse on a stick absolved you from having to follow biblical law (as most christians do) then you actually have only one commandment: "accept jeebus". The rest are all optional; you can kill, rape, cheat and steal, and you still go to heaven!

That's the wonderful thing about these ancient superstitions; you can come up with all sorts of different conclusions about how to live your life, just depending on what you decide to pull out of that choose-your-own-adventure book which people call "the bible". I just think it's hilarious that atheists know more about your religion than you do :) How about, instead of just talking about the bible, you actually try reading it?

Francis W. Porretto

I do believe you're referring to the Book of Leviticus, Alex. In case it's escaped your attention, I'm a Christian; part of Christ's mission among men was to proclaim the "new and eternal covenant," based upon His teachings. At any rate, my book is the New Testament, of which Leviticus is not a part.

You can deride my faith as much as you like. ("Corpse on a stick" -- ? Can't you at least try to be original? Incidentally, we believe He rose from the dead; it's the key miracle upon which His authority is founded.) It suits me, and I'd bet a pretty penny that you have nothing to compare to it except what you think would be "good rules" for Mankind to live by. But that's in the nature of your Militant Atheism, which is a faith of its own: the creed that proclaims, without any evidentiary substantiation, that there cannot be a God.

This also may have escaped your attention:

Now a man came up to him and said, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to gain eternal life?” He said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” “Which ones?” he asked. Jesus replied, “You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false witness, honor your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.” [The Gospel According To Matthew, 19:16-19]

The founder of my religion said, at another time:

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." [The Gospel According To Matthew 22:37-40]

The first three of the Ten Commandments, about worshipping only God, about speaking of Him only with respect, and about reserving some time for worship out of each week, derive rather naturally from the First Great Commandment. The others, cited more specifically by Jesus to the "rich young man," flow from the Second Great Commandment. The aggregate, from which prohibitions against rape and so forth can be rather easily deduced, constitute Natural Law as it applies to Mankind.

Feel free to take issue with any of that, but I'm afraid we'd have nothing to discuss. I never argue with the dogmatists of other faiths. And now, you can have the last word if you like.


"At any rate, my book is the New Testament, of which Leviticus is not a part."

Which, of course, is bullshit, since you brought up the ten commandments, which happen to be part of the old testament. You also, apparently, believe in original sin - again, part of the old testament - without which the sacrifice of your holy zombie is completely pointless. Like all christians, you pick and choose randomly until you find something that sounds good to you, and doesn't elicit immediate laughter from laymen. It's hilarious to watch :)

Classical Liberal

Alex, as an atheist, I must say that your attitude is most unhelpful.


It takes a special kind of dimwit to start a sentence with "as an atheist ..."

You don't need to try and ingratiate yourself with me, as if we were in some old-boys-club, before you bring out the criticism. In fact you should probably avoid it; it's most unhelpful. If you have something valid to say then spit it out - otherwise stay out of my way.

Classical Liberal

Alex, I wonder if perhaps you are overcompensating for a certain shortcoming?


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