Cafe Alpha on exchanging words with Muslims via You Tube:
I had said that freedom of speech has to include the freedom to insult the prophet - that there has to be a right to criticize and even insult religion, a right to heresy, for there to be freedom of thought, religion, secular education that includes rational thought, and even debate and secular democracy.
And she responded by laughing at me, saying that there can't be anything more absurd than a "freedom to insult". She talked about people getting along (as did the first guy, and insults and didn't even mention the prophet, but I can see that she hasn't even the first inkling of the concept of freedom of speech. None at all, it doesn't even register as an idea, just as something that completely fails the laugh test.
When I came to the West, words and terms like Liberty, Classical Liberalism, Free Speech, Secularism, and Human Rights meant nothing to me. I had simply never heard or read about them at the time.
It took me years to learn and comprehend their meaning. Only then could I verbalize why Western Civilization was superior to the Islamic hells on Earth. Before then, I certainly had the sense to see that the West was better but I couldn't actually explain why.
In Islamic nations, well certainly in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, history starts with, and is almost entirely composed of, Islam. Most aren't familiar with the great ideas that have advanced humanity and brought the Anglo world to such prominence today. Instead one finds numerous conspiracy theories for the thieving infidels and the victimized Muslims.
A noxious result one witnesses is Muslims who love to arrive and live in the West while simultaneously loathing the foundations on which it is built. I once had an unreal conversation with a fellow who had green cards for his family. This guy was terribly worried about the planning and headache of moving to America ... and he hoped that the Jihadists in Afghanistan defeat the Americans, so they could enforce the glorious sharia.
I was left speechless.
I don't think we can rhetorically teach them these concepts so that they understand and , maybe, appreciate them. That is one of the reasons why I haven't geared my blog towards Muslims since the result will be fruitless. (Plus, talking to people who don't even agree with your right to breath is not healthy.)