Halaal Greeting

Umar Lee:

As a Muslim man I always try to show respect to a brothers family when I enter his home; but one of the problems is I do not always know how to do this. There is a good friend of mine who is a white American convert to Islam and is married to a non-Muslim woman who is an attorney. When I first met him I had not visited the home of a non-Muslim not in my family socially in years and I did not know how to act. Because I was in the habit of ignoring women and not speaking to them in the home of Muslim friends of mine, because that is what they expected, I did not speak to his wife. I forgot about this brief encounter, but the brother’s wife was mad at me for years because she felt I had disrespected her.

That uppity woman doesn't have the sense to see just how much Lee respected her by refusing to acknowledge her existence.

Read the rest. It's funny in a sad way.

Comments

Dude. After reading this I imagined that Islam was invented by a woman to keep men stupid and subservient. I know it seems the other way around...but not being able to talk to a woman without creaming yourself is pretty stoopid. How has this philosophical system lasted 1400 years?

[See-dubya]

This is almost as revealing as the awful things he said to that black security guard at GWU.

Eww.

[Liber]

"...women will join the brothers at the dinner table and be seen and join the conversation (if she does not dominate it)."

Now that's veeeery generous of the brothers. May they slap the women to make them shut up once the brothers think they start 'dominating' the conversation about boxing, cars, how to cheat the infidels, and the latest decapitation video on the internet?

[Cafe Alpha]

but not being able to talk to a woman without creaming yourself is pretty stoopid.

People who were allowed to think, to use their brains at all, would see that enforced separation has exactly the opposite effect that was intended and drop it. But Muslims aren't allowed to be as thoughtful as animals.

[Cafe Alpha]

And what the fuck does this mean?

The Prophet did say:

“Touching the ‘foreign’ woman is easier for you than getting hit in the head with an iron rod.”

[Cafe Alpha]

Here in Malaysia, non-muslim women, being familiar with muslims, will typically lead, either by clasping their hands so you know they don’t expect a shake, or by sticking their hands straight at you, so that it would be very rude to refuse and you therefor qualify for the dispensation mtakbar is referring to.

So in Malaysia, women force Muslim men to shake hands. That's funny. Rape!

[Cafe Alpha]

And here's the kicker:

Being here in Egypt for a few months has made me realize that Muslims in America often make a much bigger deal about these kinds of things than Muslims in the Muslim World do. It’s not uncommon for religious men and women here to shake hands and make casual conversation, or for them to inquire about each other’s spouses.

So it's not a problem in Egypt. Only in Saudi Arabia, and America.

[Isaac Schrödinger]

Cafe Alpha: So it's not a problem in Egypt. Only in Saudi Arabia, and America.

That's not surprising given the fact that Saudi Arabia has been exporting its fundamentalist creed of Islam for decades. What better place to market it than the New World?

In some African countries, Muslim women used to be outdoors topless. The Wahabbis stamped that out. In South Asian nations Muslim women used to wear colorful clothes. This is rare now because of the pressure of the black abaya.

The entire Islamic world is being turned into a dark, humorless, dysfunctional blob. Though, many Egyptians, Lebanese, Turks and Iranians have resisted this ignorant and retrograde view of human relations. Let's see if they hold out and win this small, vital victory.

[Isaac Schrödinger]

I have no idea what that saying means. Never heard it before.

[Laura(southernxyl)]

I now realize that I once made a Muslim coworker shake my hand. Oops.

[Josh Scholar]

I now realize that I once made a Muslim coworker shake my hand. Oops.

Well, uppity women in Malaysia do the same. You have the freedom, use it.

[Classical Liberal]

"As a Muslim man I always try to show respect to a brothers family when I enter his home; but one of the problems is I do not always know how to do this."

How about treating others the way you would like to be treated? How hard is that?

"It is when you go into the areas of the secularized elite or the classless you will find these types of kissing and overt hugging between the sexes ( but with today’s young people whose minds were formed by the thought-police at MTV and there teachers who graduated form Woodstock this may be common among all groups)."

Gee, really? I'm about as secular as it gets, but I'm hardly elite, and I hug female friends, and will hug female relatives of friends if they start it, or even do the peck on the cheek thing if that's whats done in that household. As for MTV, it was just starting when I was in high school and many kids hardly ever saw it, yet there was hugging in my school. Perhaps I'm just classless?

"Being here in Egypt for a few months has made me realize that Muslims in America often make a much bigger deal about these kinds of things than Muslims in the Muslim World do. It’s not uncommon for religious men and women here to shake hands and make casual conversation, or for them to inquire about each other’s spouses."

Morocco is the only Muslim country I have visited, and that was about 18 years ago. I was studying in an exchange program in a Spanish university, and over spring break myself and three other Americans (one guy and two girls) went across the Straights of Gibraltar clear into another world.

We met several Moroccans and visited their homes. As I recall, we interacted mostly with the men, but I think this was because it was the men who spoke English, French, or Spanish (my Arabic was and is about 4 words) while only a few of the women we met spoke a language other than Arabic, or maybe Berber. I distinctly remember hugging goodbye one family when we left, including one of the women, who did speak a little English. I got the impression they were a little bit surprised, but went along with an attitude of "oh, well, the wacky Americans are here--we'll humor them."

For what it's worth, on the one hand most of the women we saw who were older were in traditional dress, which was not abayas or burqas, just a head dress or scarf, while the younger women wore mostly pastel colored sweats suits. On the other hand, not even one of the men we met could comprehend that the girls traveling with us two guys were not our wives, sisters, cousins, or sisters-in-law. They continually asked us again and again. Finally to put an end to it we just said that they were our cousins so we could stop the repetitive denials.

[Liber]

“Touching the ‘foreign’ woman is easier for you than getting hit in the head with an iron rod.”

... I guess it means that there are a lot of Muslim men who have the habit of hitting others in the head with an iron rod. Sounds familiar... kind of.

[Isaac Schrödinger]

Classical Liberal: I'm about as secular as it gets, but I'm hardly elite, and I hug female friends, and will hug female relatives of friends if they start it, or even do the peck on the cheek thing if that's whats done in that household.

NO 72 VIRGINS FOR YOU!

I attended an American high school and for a few days lived with a family (husband, wife, son) during winter break when the school dorms were closed.

The wife visited some of her relatives in a different state and took me along with her son. This relative had two daughters who asked me about my background and showed me their room. We all had dinner together and when we were leaving, the daughters hugged me. It was innocent, harmless and human.

[MikeT]

Forced separation has a funny habit of making people choose homosexuality in order to get a little lovin. This of course only tends to surprise the people who believe that human sexuality is entirely immutable, despite the proof that psychological triggers can change or warp sexual orientation.