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Josh Scholar

He just posted another one. Obviously he like the attention.

Isaac Schrödinger

The surreal thing is that at no point does Umar Lee provide a single example of racism from his targets. He just keeps on typing the words "racists", and "white supremacists".

As though repetition alone will make the charges come true.

The implication is quite amusing: from the years of combined material at Jihad Watch and LGF, we're not to assume anything bad about Islam and Muslims. However, from absolutely zero evidence from Umar Lee, we should think that Spencer and Johnson are bigoted scum.

Josh Scholar

By the way I left this comment on his slanderous post on Johnson and Spencer (where he complains that they ignore his moderate attitudes and past signs of good will):

Look, Umar, I’m sure that neither Robert Spencer or Charles Johnson care what you’ve written, and, perhaps, due to their faults, they would never be interested in being friends with you.

Never the less, they are both doing an important job of creating portals where people can read about the hatred and triumphalism that almost universal in Islam and about the violence that is both shocking and on the rise.

They may not be perfect, but tell me, would you be willing to do their jobs? To wade deep in the hatred that eminates from Islam every day? That’s a horrible job they’ve taken on, and a necessary one.

Spencer has never been as bright as I wish he was, and while Johnson is bright and controlled in what he writes, he is entirely responsible for what his comment section has become. I don’t think he really understands how much he is to blame for that.

However, even imperfect men can do useful jobs.

Josh Scholar

BTW check your email.

Isaac Schrödinger

I did.

Josh Scholar

I went back and added:

By the way, the specific way in which I think Robert Spencer has been very clumsy is in his handling of Muslim reformers.

It's obvious that Robert is entirely concerned with educating non-Muslims to understand the threat of Jihad. So when faced with debating a reformer, what Robert wants to convey to his target audience is that reform toward peace, tolerance, friendship with non-Muslims is a very marginal affair, and so far weak both in the extent of its goals and the extent of its authority.

But instead of saying something like "your aims laudible, but as of now the vast majority of Imams and Mullahs teach a very different interpretation of Islam than you are advocating," instead of that, he says something like "you are misrepresenting Islam!" Which is clumsy and doesn't even communicate very well.

Josh Scholar

(and I added)

Perhaps, though, what he meant to communicate is what Ali Salem (and many others) have said, that Islam can not be reformed.

But once again, if that's what he meant, that is what he should have said, and he should have explained why. What he did say was problematic and less clear.

Josh Scholar

... and I got no response.

Isaac Schrödinger

"... and I got no response."

And you likely won't.

I see this very often: popular anti-Islamist blogs and websites are lumped together and their authors are called "Islamophobic", "racist", "bigot" among other things. Yet, these morally outraged people never point out any examples of such by the authors.

You see, why should these righteous accusers waste their time and sully their blogs with material from the unethical sites? End result: LGF, Jihad Watch, Dhimmi Watch etc. are ignored and anyone who does find any merit in them is, of course, also an "Islamophobe"...

Josh Scholar

Well I did say that there was a problem with hatred and triumphalism stemming from Islam, since that's unanswerably true and completely forbidden to even talk about, I don't expect te be engaged, especially on that point.

And I wonder if Umar is responding to the bad state of LGF's comment section or, really, to the fact that Islam itself is being blamed.

And though I knew that I would likely be ignored, I did want to get on record that it's legitimate to critisize Islam itself.

Josh Scholar

Anyway maybe Umar's harmless hissy fit satisfies his spiritual need for Jihad. If so then I have to say I approve.

Spritual hissy fits for all! And if he dies of an aneurism while arguing with am 80 IQ turd online, he goes straight to heaven! A mayrter!

Josh Scholar

And what's this crap on Umar's site about former CAIR official, Ismail Royer, convicted of fighting in Kashmir (which generally involves killing innocent Hindus in an attempt at ethnic cleansing)

I thought Umar was a moderate

Isaac Schrödinger

Don't you know, that poor angelic fellow was convicted by the evil-doers!?

The more you dig around moderate Muslims, the bigger the heap of crap will get.

Josh Scholar

Is this some sort of good cop/bad cop game?

Umar is against ethnic cleansing of Jews in Israel (which makes him seem radically moderate as Muslims go) but he's in favor of ethnically cleansing Hindus out of Kashmir (by killing), destroying their democracy and installing oppressive Islamists there.

Is this just a stupid ruse like pretending to be in favor of the laws in your own country, but for Islamist revolution in all others? Oh so now each phoney moderate picks one Jihad they pretend to be against so that they then have fake moderate credentials to use to support all of the other Jihads!

Fuck Umar! God damn terrorist supporter! Just fuck him!

M.Sphinx

The surreal thing is that at no point does Umar Lee provide a single example of racism from his targets. He just keeps on typing the words "racists", and "white supremacists".

Well the sheer number of n word and goatf*cker comments certainly gave credence to his position.

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